Torsion problem with ASTER
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15 years 10 months ago #3057
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Well, not on the internet.
I have an old book on mechanics I used many years ago (you are not allowed to make jokes about my age): Technische Mechanik - Teil 3 - Festigkeitslehre by Holzmann, Meyer und Schumpich, Teubner Stuttgart. Nice book, still valid.
It says, in German:
fuer Rechteck: n = h/b>=1 --> I* = ''Itorsion'' = eta2*h*b^3
h: height
b: width or vice versa, n>=1.
n 1 2 3 00 (infinite)
eta2 0.141 0.229 0.263 0.333
(if you need numbers inbetween, I can give them to you).
So, in your case, for very large n eta2 tends to 1/3 and
phie = Mtorsion*Length/(GI*).
I donot have all the dimension, so you have to determine the result for yourself
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Replied by kwou on topic Re:Torsion problem with ASTER
Do you know a book or internet page with a simple torsion problem having an analytical solution in order to compare the results of FEM with it ? It seems pretty difficult to find examples where the cross-section of the bar isn't circular.
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Well, not on the internet.
I have an old book on mechanics I used many years ago (you are not allowed to make jokes about my age): Technische Mechanik - Teil 3 - Festigkeitslehre by Holzmann, Meyer und Schumpich, Teubner Stuttgart. Nice book, still valid.
It says, in German:
fuer Rechteck: n = h/b>=1 --> I* = ''Itorsion'' = eta2*h*b^3
h: height
b: width or vice versa, n>=1.
n 1 2 3 00 (infinite)
eta2 0.141 0.229 0.263 0.333
(if you need numbers inbetween, I can give them to you).
So, in your case, for very large n eta2 tends to 1/3 and
phie = Mtorsion*Length/(GI*).
I donot have all the dimension, so you have to determine the result for yourself

** kind regards - kees
Interest: structural mechanics, solar energy (picture at 'my location' shows too little pv panels)
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kind regards - kees
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15 years 10 months ago #3058
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Thanks Kees,
now jokes about your age, promise
I got this formula too, now in order to meet the same conditions as the equations demands, it would be better to apply a torque and not a force in ASTER.
How is possible to do that ? Knowing that my model is 3D, do I apply the torque on a group of nodes of the surface parallel to the clamped surface ?
now jokes about your age, promise

I got this formula too, now in order to meet the same conditions as the equations demands, it would be better to apply a torque and not a force in ASTER.
How is possible to do that ? Knowing that my model is 3D, do I apply the torque on a group of nodes of the surface parallel to the clamped surface ?
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15 years 10 months ago #3063
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Replied by Claus on topic Re:Torsion problem with ASTER
Boloni wrote:
I don't (for some reason) have a handy .comm file I can upload, but you are right about the approach:
Create a node group on the face at the end of the structure you want to apply moment to, then create a single node a bit offset (and normal to) from that surface - link the two node groups with AFFE_CHAR_MECA --> LIASON_GROUP/SOLIDE
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* * <-- apply moment here to get torsion around X
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y
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|____x
Thanks Kees,
now jokes about your age, promise
I got this formula too, now in order to meet the same conditions as the equations demands, it would be better to apply a torque and not a force in ASTER.
How is possible to do that ? Knowing that my model is 3D, do I apply the torque on a group of nodes of the surface parallel to the clamped surface ?
I don't (for some reason) have a handy .comm file I can upload, but you are right about the approach:
Create a node group on the face at the end of the structure you want to apply moment to, then create a single node a bit offset (and normal to) from that surface - link the two node groups with AFFE_CHAR_MECA --> LIASON_GROUP/SOLIDE
*
* * <-- apply moment here to get torsion around X
*
y
|
|____x
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15 years 10 months ago #3065
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Thanks Claus, I'll try it right away.
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15 years 10 months ago #3067
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I did the liaison group between the groups:
- first group composed of the nodes on the surface on which I wish to apply the torque
- second group, containing a node normal to this surface (a node taken in the interior of the bar/plate)
I have fixed all the DDL (DX, ..., DRZ) and applied a coefficient of 1.
But when I apply the moment to the node, it says that:
"le ddl MZ est interdit pour le noeud x", x - the node of the second group.
Where I'm wrong ?<br /><br />Post edited by: Boloni, at: 2009/06/18 15:00
- first group composed of the nodes on the surface on which I wish to apply the torque
- second group, containing a node normal to this surface (a node taken in the interior of the bar/plate)
I have fixed all the DDL (DX, ..., DRZ) and applied a coefficient of 1.
But when I apply the moment to the node, it says that:
"le ddl MZ est interdit pour le noeud x", x - the node of the second group.
Where I'm wrong ?<br /><br />Post edited by: Boloni, at: 2009/06/18 15:00
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15 years 10 months ago #3083
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Replied by Claus on topic Re:Torsion problem with ASTER
I think you need to create a new node outside the mesh, only for the purpose of applying torsion - give that a try
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