Ejector in Code_Saturne

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11 years 9 months ago #3748 by Torben
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Hello, all.

I am struggling a bit with analysis of a air-air ejector in Code_Saturne. Geometry and mesh have been defined in Salomé 4.1.4 and I am using Saturne 1.3 for analysis.

The model has an inlet (InletA) where the boundary condition is an inlet u-velocity, an ejector outlet (Outlet) and finally the suction port (InletP) where boundary conditions are outlet.

I would then expect at least (a) the flow through the Outlet being a sum of InletA and InletP and (b) a flow directed into the ejector through InletP and a flow directed out of the ejector through Outlet and (c) same static pressure af the interfaces InletP and Outlet. But ...

What I see is a laminar shaped distribution of flow at the InletP (suction port) where the velocity vectors point *out* of the ejector!!! and a clear *increase* in pressure between the InletP and Outlet.

I will appreciate much your comments to the analysis/model.




Just adding a remark: I assume it is either my model, the Code_Saturne analysis and/or the Salomé postprocessing that is playing me a trick as I know from real life measurements with exactly this ejector that the flow through the InletP boundary should go into the ejector and not away from it.<br /><br />Post edited by: Torben, at: 2010/01/17 17:18
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11 years 9 months ago #3749 by Jake
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(a) the flow through the Outlet being a sum of InletA and InletP


Then both inlets should be specified as inlets...InletP should not be an outlet.

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11 years 9 months ago #3750 by Torben
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Thanks for the answer. I specifed outlet for the InletP because I consider it a free passage. If specifying inlet, I have to specify a velocity/massflow through that boundary. While studying the log files from the analysis I see that the sum of ingoing and outgoing massflows are zero and Code_Saturne writes in the log that mass flows in through some outlet boundaries - but it is not mentioned as an error.

While animating the velocity vectors in InletP from the iteration history, they are seen to oscillate a bit in the beginnning going in going out, but after some 150 iterations they stabilize with the outward going distribution described above.

My initial idea was to see how much &quot;passive air&quot; will be transported by a given amount of &quot;active air&quot;. Is there a more correct way to specify a free flow boundary ?

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11 years 8 months ago #3812 by Torben
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Just a little update from my struggle with learning CFD :dry:

Checking the documentation of Code_Saturne I have confirmed that my use of the outlet as a &quot;passive&quot; inlet is essentially correct, so I decided to give it a go again.

I believe that I am now facing what makes CFD a challenge to learn by self study - the sense of balancing the mesh and solutions parameters to the task at hand.

First I cheated a bit and increased the viscosity. That naturally made the solution a bit more stable, and most recently I ran the analysis in laminar mode. Now it even converges :woohoo: so I believe next step will be trying to generate a mesh more optimised towards representing the boundary layers and maybe research a bit on the different turbulence models.

It ain't easy - but kind of fun :lol:

I have uploaded the velocity vector iteration history for the laminar run for you to see. It's an AVI of 10MB so it takes a bit to fetch.

http://tpa.orgfree.com/cfd <br /><br />Post edited by: Torben, at: 2010/01/31 19:46

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11 years 8 months ago #3824 by Matthew Bondy
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Does the 'outlet' BC in the Code Saturne GUI specify a pressure? I was just thinking that if it does this might force flow out the outlets. The few times I have used Fluent I recall using pressure outlets.

If I recall correctly, in the Code Saturne documentation there were a bunch of outlet BCs but I dont remember if any specified the pressure or if that much information was even provided. In the GUI there seems to be one outlet BC. Perhaps there are settings elsewhere I missed?<br /><br />Post edited by: Matthew Bondy, at: 2010/02/06 00:55

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10 years 10 months ago #5097 by jonnajulee
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